Something To Think About...

Unknown

but i thought about this and I was just wondering how people that supported the war because they TRULY believe they need to liberate the women over there dont see this or think about this.

YOUNG AMISH GIRL:



YOUNG MUSLIM GIRL



its funny how females being covered form head to toe isnt "opresion" when its going on in america. and its funny how nobody is doing anything about polygamy or the way women are treated in utah(mormon communities). does anybody even KNOW womens situations in mormon and amish communities in america? read up on it and then tell me if its any different than the extremist muslim countries.

call me mentally retarded, but shouldnt we worry about ourselves before we worry about others?? shouldnt we be disgusted by the 50 year old man thats marrying the 14 year old girl in america(this is a fact) rather than whats going on half way across the world?

Why is it that mormons and amish are given the freedom to practice their religions without being invaded and told they are wrong, yet muslims in MUSLIM countries aren't allowed to practice their religions, when it is basically the same thing as whats going on n thsi country?

Do you remember when they were all excited about putting television and music back into afghanistan?? Why don't they go and do that in Utah?? Why is it not awful when its happening here, but its awful and it has to be changed in order to "liberate" the people over there?

anyone that can honestly say thsi has nothign to do with religion should clear up why day after day ignorant people go on tv and discuss what a great deed theyve done in these muslim countries by getting rid of burqas dont have a problem with covered women in america.

Are there not hundreds of thousands of women in this country being "opressed" by their men and their religion? then we should probably stop acting so self-righteous and own up to the fact that this has nothing to do with peoples rights(because if it did, we would be worried about our own country) it has nothing to do with terrorism(because fi it did, they would have osama.) it has to do with MONEY and RELIGION. just look at who got elected a second term.

Unknown

very interesting stuff goosey

more people should read this

banktooth12

i don't think anyone has ever claimed that the was is based on muslim women's rights, and i'm just about 100% certain this has nothing to do with religion. there are so many muslims in america that arn't forced or asked to change. i was downtown in tampa monday and i saw a muslim woman wearing something very similiar to what the girl in that picture is wearing. that's not something you see often, so i noticed her, the only thing i thought was "jeez, she must be really hot under all that." no one gave her dirty looks or said anything to her or did anything to make her feel like she didn't belong here. people have the right to practice whatever they feel is right. i find it hard to imagine that we would just pick out one country half way across the planet and decide that they need to change the way they do things. i honestly think this has nothing to do with religion. america is the land of tolerance and everyone here is a different religion. i think you are generalizing too much. the reason we are over there isn't so cut and dry as you make them seem and i'm not going to pretend that i can tell you exaxtly why we are over there. but i promise you that this war is based on terrorism.

as far as oppressing women over here goes, i'm pretty sure that polygamyis outlawed. like, if you were already married to 5 mormon women you can stay married to them, but your unmarried little brother can only marry one woman. it's like a grandfather rule. cable is avaliable in utah. they just need to order it.

and as far as amish go...um...they're not really oppressed. they just do things differntly. her parents might keep here there but as soon as the girl in that picture turns 18 she has the right to go to target, buy a tank top and some shorts and go to the beach, and if she did that i promise no one would throw rocks at her or try to stop her.

a 50 year old man marrying a 14 year old girl is not legal. the only way that would be possible is if her parents signed over custody to the 50 year old, and that would make her parents sick too...but whatever. that's not a common thing over here and i'm sure that it happens a lot more often in other countries.

so to answer your question, no, i don't think there are hundreds of thousands of woman oppressed in this country every day by their men. yes, oppression and sexism and racism goes on in this country every day, but i like to think that as a whole, we are making strides to stop that. i don't know anyone who has been a victim of sexism or racism and i can assure i've never oppressed anyone.

i would like to iterate, this war has nothing to do with religion.

jedi_grrlie

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as far as oppressing women over here goes, i'm pretty sure that polygamyis outlawed. like, if you were already married to 5 mormon women you can stay married to them, but your unmarried little brother can only marry one woman. it's like a grandfather rule.  cable is avaliable in utah. they just need to order it.

Oh, but it happens. I don't remember where I read the article, or when it was, but in the past year, I read something about young women in these communities in the midwest (I think they were Mormon communities, but I think only a particular branch or something- sorry, I know that's not really articulate) have to run away because they're basically being forced to marry men much older than themselves by their fathers. I'm not saying it's a characteristic of all Mormons or that it's a widespread practice- I'm just saying that yes, it does happen, even here in the U.S. and even though it's not legal.

As for the Amish, they do allow teenagers to go out into "the real world" and then make a decision as to whether or not they want to stay in the Amish community. And, as far as I know, the Amish population is really starting to dwindle. I'm not really concerned with the Amish as an oppressor.

I don't know if there are hundreds of thousands of women being oppressed in this country, either through religion or otherwise, but there are women being oppressed in this nation every day, whether you know them or not. I'd like to think that we're making strides to stop that as well, but sometimes I have to wonder about our government in that respect.

As for the war, I don't think this is a war based on religion; I the focus was supposed to be on liberating the Iraqi people from oppression of all sort- in other words, giving them something like democracy or freedom. If you follow that through, you can make a claim that religion is a part of that, since freedom of/from religion has always been a big issue in America, and continues to be nowadays.

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but i promise you that this war is based on terrorism.

And on that, I completely disagree with you. Maybe I have a skewed opinion because I'm a Smithie living in Massachusetts (which is pretty much as liberal as you can get), but I think very little of this war has to do with terrorism. That was just a convenient excuse to get us involved.

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just look at who got elected a second term.

And on that somewhat related note, please tell me y'all have already read this.

rain7look

I don't think our government should try to change how Muslim woman are treated, harsh as that may sound. It's how their religion is, and how it should be. It's based on tradition that is so old, like any other traditions in religions.

As I see it, I think it's narrowed down to religion (of course, what else). Our government shouldn't be interfering with any religion at all. It's not their place to. They shouldn't have to make these woman change.

I don't feel like getting really deep in this because when the government interfers with religion (or anything really) it tends to piss me off.

RejectedSponge

I think we have an influence on them without military influence. I mean, already younger generations are starting to "rebel,"... i can't think of a better term for it. We can only hope that it spreads, but that's pretty much all we can do. All societies have progressed in some sort of way similar to what has to happen, so in my opinion, in time, things will be right. It just might take a really long time.