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Which reminds me, I have to thank Vinnie again for helping me the other day; thankies darling
And Rachel, your new sig is gorgeous! *jealous*
Ok, I get that your family functions, that your family loves you, and your family is wonderful, and you know exactly what you will be doing for Christmas. Well some of us didn't get that blessing. Some of us get to choose wether we want to invite ourselves somewhere where we don't belong, impose on those people and feel really shitty about it, or spend it alone and feel really shitty about it.
Now I get that the holiday's not going to go away just because it's miserable for me. I don't want it to. I get that it's wonderful for a lot of people, hell for many years I was one of them. But it's the fucking start of November. Now after Thanksgiving I will suck it up and smile and pretend that I don't want to die inside and that I don't go home and cry every night, but please, please, I implore you, give me the 3 more weeks. Don't make me endure 2 months of this instead of 1!
My sister usually comes and stays with me the week after Christmas and before New Years, but now she hates me too and I don't even have that to look forward to. I'll make it through, but please stop the fucking Christmas music. You have headphones, I don't think it's too much to ask that you use them.
I sympathise with you, really I do. But I've learned over the years that anyone who objects to having Christmas shoved in their face from October 15th to January 10th or so, even if they have good reasons (such as, oh, I don't know, NOT BEING A CHRISTIAN) is either an evil Scrooge who either simply needs more cheer to bring them around, or should be treated disdainfully and with as much cruelty as possible. So in the past when I have requested that I not get emails from friends relating to Christmas, or that the office be decorated in silver and gold instead of red and green, or whatever, because I am Jewish and I don't celebrate the holiday, I am treated coldly, or worse, I lose friends. No, not an exaggeration. I have one friend with whom the relationship has not been the same since I asked her sister to not send me Santa jokes. Because I am part of the evil War On Christmas. My closest friends, even my one friend who is an atheist and is the first person to complain about the religious right, all have basically told me that I have no right to complain about the way this country completely ignores the fact that there is anyone on this planet who doesn't celebrate this holiday. And for that reason, this is probably the only time I'll be posting any kind of mention re: my feelings on this matter this year.
You'll note I have no problem with Easter. Because it's one day, and the decorations aren't nearly as ubiquitous, and there aren't any Easter songs on the radio (let alone the radio stations that flip completely to "holiday" format).
See, I don't want a "War on Christmas" or any other holiday. I accept that the office will be decorated, and I don't care if it's red, green, sliver, gold, maroon, or leopard print. I accept that I'm going to have a shitty month, but I just don't see why it has to be 2.
Like I said, when I was deluding myself into thinking I had a family I did enjoy all the hub-ub, and I understand why everyone else wants it, and everyone else should absolutely get it. Just keep it in December, PLEASE!
And yeah, the more i"ve complained the worse it's gotten. I haven't told him why I've complained (even when I asked, I lied) because it didn't seem professional and I"m worried it will somehow affect my career, but how's it going to affect my career if I'm crying in the bathroom (not an exaggeration).
I'm not saying you're being unreasonable. I don't think it's at all unreasonable to want to opt out of Christmas, or even ask that it be contained to one month. I'm saying you ought to prepare yourself for the way you'll be treated. I'm on your side - you shouldn't have to contend with 2 months of it. I just don't see a way out for you. You want to be professional about it? Then just deal with it, yes. Which sucks. I know, because I've been dealing with the "F You, Suck it up and deal" for my entire life. Your only other option is to tell your boss what you've said here and risk losing face. I don't know what your boss is like, but mine treat me like a problem this time of year, and ONE OF THEM IS JEWISH. Well, ethnically, anyway.
You have my sympathy and I wish you the best of luck, but it won't be easy.
The way I see it is that rather than celebrating the festival of lights, or Jesus's birth, I use it to celebrate the things that make me and my friends and family happy. Cheesy, I know, but it's more personal that way anyway.
And my real complaint is the stupid amount of work have, which means that I can't come on here as much anymore. Which is horrible, to be honest.
I suppose I should just get over my Family Guy addiction.
You could buy the DVD.
You could buy the DVD.
It's not available on DVD yet, it just aired last night. She didn't get home in time and missed it. If the show were on any other network, she could've just watched it on the network website, but no. Fox is the ONLY network that is not streaming its shows on (and earning ad revenue from, I might add) its website. It's poor marketing on Fox's part, frankly.
My only suggestions to you, Sally dear, are to find someone who DVRed/taped it and go to their place, or wait a few weeks until they show it on Cartoon Network. I DVRed it, you could come here and watch it, LOL!
If I were trying to sell a product, I damn sure wouldn't give it away for free.
If I were trying to sell a product, I damn sure wouldn't give it away for free.
1) The DVDs that are sold in stores contain content no longer available online for free.
2) Allowing people to watch the last two or three weeks' episodes is smart business, especially where new shows are concerned, because then they can see the episodes they missed, get hooked, and increase the viewership.
3) The Networks can charge their advertisers per viewing, which can be tracked exactly, unlike broadcast viewerswhip which can only be estimated.
4) Just as one example, every single episode of Heroes was available for free from NBC.com last season for the duration of the season. If I wanted to, the day before the series finale I could've sat in front of my monitor and watched the WHOLE season on NBC.com for free while NBC earned the ad revenue from my unique hit. The Season 1 box set is listed on Amazon as:
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #37 in DVD
Popular in these categories:
#1 in DVD > Boxed Sets > Mystery & Suspense
#1 in DVD > Action & Adventure > Superheroes > Heroes
#2 in DVD > Science Fiction & Fantasy > Television
And that's just Amazon.com. According to Billboard.com after 4 weeks on the racks (10/13/07) it was at #13, and #8 the week before. So it's certainly not hurting sales.
Fox is foolish to not get in on this.
And yes, indeed, I didn't get home til 10 last night and that's why I missed it. Something that was on last night isn't available on DVD.
And watching NBC online is the same as watching on a tv- there are advertisements and commercials. Which I don't mind and which they make a lot of money from.
And in fact, it's this very issue that the WG is striking about. They're not getting paid for episodes sold on itunes, aired online and on DVD (while the network fatcats are making millions from these mediums).
The truth is that how we watch tv is changing. I almost never get home before 7:30 and so I watch a lot of stuff online. People who work, people with kids to take care of, people who go out, people who are just plain busy can't watch at specific times everyday. And, just to add something I heard before, a lot of college students don't have access to cable or even tv when they live in tiny dorms- and so they turn to the internet. And like Rachel said, watching online actually increases viewing and so increases sales in other areas, such as dvd. The landscape is changing. Fox is falling behind.
And Rachel, lol, one of these days I'm gonna pop in and we'll have a DVR-fest!
Obviously the ad revenue isn't paying for the bandwidth. If it were profitable, they would do it.
I just don't see how it's Fox's fault you missed your show.
Oh yes, because every company ONLY makes smart business decisions. Obviously the ad revenue and increased viewership *is* worth it, because every other network allows people to watch episodes on their website at their convenience. As Tabetha said, the landscape is changing, and Fox refuses to change with it.
She isn't saying it's Fox's fault, she's complaining that Fox is being stubborn and not changing with the times, and I am apt to agree with her. Let's look at the music industry's refusal to embrace the opportunity the internet posed to them and how they've completely lost ground and watched CD sales drop heavily over the last decade (ahem), and position that against how well other networks are faring and profitting through their use of internet marketing possibilities.
Sally doesn't want to *steal* anything, she wants an opportunity watch a program that was available for free on Sunday - why shouldn't it still be available?
Sally check here for the next few days. It appears to be legit, so Fox won't mess with it.
In fact I retract all my statements. I forgot you were a lawyer and therefore smarter than everyone else.
I'm apt to believe she should buy a DVR instead of complaining, but I"m no lawyer.
In fact I retract all my statements. I forgot you were a lawyer and therefore smarter than everyone else.
I'm apt to believe she should buy a DVR instead of complaining, but I"m no lawyer.
Dude! That was a little uncalled for. Please don't be patronizing- especially b/c I know you're terrific and reading this is un-nerving for me. Moreover, well, Rachel deserves more respect than that.
First off, it's not really a viable option to tell everyone to buy a DVR. In my case, I have....um...zero dollars. I had 3 jobs over the summer but now I'm in school and so....zero dollars.
And zero dollars doesn't just apply to students. Lots of ppl just don't have the income. Telling ppl to buy DVR's to watch that episode they missed last night is like telling a school janitor to run for president of the USA if he doesn't like the way his HMO is run. He just can't and so the option becomes absurd. And for that matter, so is waiting 6 months for th series to go to DVD: by that time, I've lost interest in a show I keep missing. Whereas if people are able to see a show, they're more likely to "fall in love with it," as Damian wrote. And when you're in love with a show, you watch all the episodes and yeah, then you absolutely can't wait to get your hands on the DVD collection 6 months later.
Honestly, I don't see why you're so adamently against internet viewing: you watch tv entirely for free b/c commercials are paying, along with all the countless profitable aspects of the industry, from studio tours to product placement. You just click your remote control while sitting on the couch and there you go: your favorite show, your stress-reliever, your moment of artistic drama, maybe even your PBS-prompted education for the night.
So instead of the couch and the remote, why not the swivel chair and the mouse?
As Rachel pointed out, the revolution has already come to music. Who uses a stereo? Who has a tape-player? No, it's all changed: the computer music player (from Itunes to Rhapsody to Napster) to the online music store (from Amazon to Itunes to AOLMusic) to the music video viewer (myspace, YOUTUBE) to of course, the $25 mp3 player to the Zen to the Ipod. We don't even use photo albums anymore; when I want to show Grandma a pic, I email it or put it on an online gallery. We don't even have to develop photos at the store; just open an account at Walmart and upload them. The world is online....this is, after all, an internet forum.
And, well, as Rachel linked, Damian Kulash himself wrote an article about the value of a greater audience that the internet can give- and if you don't get on board, people are going to find ways to go around you and you will lose out. Damian embraced music trading because it means exposure, and that means profit. And he recognized that putting anti-sharing software is ultimately harmful to the musician: people will find a way around and they'll avoid paying for music that has its own silly tracking device. So instead of leaving internet-savy ppl to upload shows, Fox should put their content online themselves. It's win-win. If you haven't noticed, NBC, ABC, CBS, TBS and Comedy Central no longer have people putting illegit copies of their content online, simply b/c now they've done it themselves and are making money from it.
It's a different world, man. The internets are here. Embrace it or watch your business suffer. And that's all Rachel and I are trying to say. Where's the sin in asking Fox to put their stuff online?
In the end, I was just complaining here b/c this is, after all, the complaints forum. It's no skin off my back if Fox can't manage their business well and will lose money as a result (they're Republicans- what else did I expect?)
I did not, however, expect that my complaint would lead to talk of stealing.
PS: If internet viewing weren't profitable, as you claim, you can bet that the Writers' Guild would not be striking right now over getting a share of the fatcats' internet viewing profits.
Are you telling me there's no VCR in your house? Contrary to popular opinion they are quite easy to program.
I'm not against internet viewing, I'm again Rachel's know-it-all attitude. This opinion of her has was not formed today, it's a culmination of many, many of her posts. And yeah, when I saw you stroking her over inflated ego, perhaps I went a little too far. But I'm not sorry.
Continue to complain about inconsequential things over which you have control. I'm done here.
That's what this thread is for...and that's what I was doing.
Thanks.
No, I don't...not at school and not at home. To launch into an unecessary description of my life, my parents are very strict and didn't really let us watch much tv as children. I mostly played with dolls all day and practised penmanship. We don't have cable and we have the same old tv they bought when my parents married. So no.
Here I need to gasp. I know I have a mean streak (just ask my sisters) but Rachel has no such fault. She's always, always, always sweet and caring. If I'm ever in tears, I know who will comfort me and patiently listen: Rachel. She goes out of her way to help others and she gives of herself more than anybody I know. Even on this forum, her posts always evoke to me the image of flowers. She's fair, she's kind, she's wise. She's a friend to us all.